Tell HN: Another round of Zendesk email spam

Looks like there's another round of Zendesk email spam happening. I've gotten hundreds over the last half-hour.

94 points | by Philpax 13 hours ago

25 comments

  • hampus 11 hours ago
    If your email service supports Sieve scripts (for example, Fastmail or Proton Mail), you can use this filter [1] that I made. It's very aggressive and will block all emails that originate from Zendesk, so you'll need to disable it whenever you're actually expecting mail from Zendesk.

    [1]: https://gist.github.com/hampuskraft/780c8fbcc4042689153533ef...

  • semiquaver 10 hours ago
    Zendesk’s mailserver reputation has got to be extremely poor by now. I think they will have trouble with deliverability after this is over. Got about 50 of these today and nearly all of them were categorized as spam before they made it to the inbox despite being nominally “legit”
    • direwolf20 9 hours ago
      Unfortunately mail server reputation's based on how rich and important you are and not how much spam you send
      • driverdan 5 hours ago
        Two of the biggest spammers in the world are Salesforce and Hubspot. They should both be blacklisted yet most of their email goes into the inbox.
      • rationalist 6 hours ago
        Considering I get spam from large U.S. companies because they believed someone else when they used my email to sign up for something, I am inclined to agree with you. No matter how many times I click "mark as spam" in Gmail, it always gets delivered to my inbox.

        Credit Karma is the biggest offender off the top of my head. For a company in the consumer datamining business, they sure aren't doing a good job.

  • Arcayr 4 hours ago
    i received _a lot_ of these as well (~200 now). i'm noticing while all are from the zendesk platform using it as a relay similar to the previous waves, many of them are specifically customers of synack, as the emails are coming "via" the responsibledisclosure.com platform. not sure if there's any correlation there—i don't think they've been compromised, but they may be being used as a trampoline.

    similar to others i had it hitting emails that "don't exist" (wildcard catchall), including the less tasteful ones mentioned here.

  • dewey 10 hours ago
    Glad I'm not the only one. It seems to use {popular website without tld}@example.com as a pattern, so I'm getting a lot via my catch all address even if I haven't used the specific inbox yet.
  • spike_protein 3 hours ago
    Zendesk has issued an official announcement about this.

    https://support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/8257723564186-...

    I'm not satisfied with it, tbh.

  • edoceo 5 hours ago
    I get similar ones from Zoom and other collaboration providers. Like folk make a meeting in Zoom and then can invite any email they know. Is that just me? Eventbrite, Meetup and Luma do similar.
  • dandigangi 6 hours ago
    They've been getting hammered by bad actors. Work in the email industry and its been bad for them. Hopefully they figure it out. Yesterday I got two phishing scams that were from a BS gmail saying they were in hiring at Unilever and Nestle.
  • spike_protein 11 hours ago
    I've got four emails, and I've no idea what’s going on. (I have a public email address on GitHub)
    • bentley 11 hours ago
      It seems to have started two weeks ago. A spammer realized that one can find a Zendesk‐based help forum, open a new ticket without an account, fill the ticket with spam URLs, and put an email address scraped from GitHub commit logs in the author email field. Zendesk would “helpfully” send the “author” the contents of the ticket, becoming in effect an open relay for spam emails. Two weeks ago is when the spammer started the attack in earnest: I received hundreds of these spam emails, typically one or two per Zendesk‐hosted help forum, sent to email addresses that I’ve only ever used on GitHub. It was discussed a bit on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46685768

      Since then, Zendesk seems to have strengthened their system so that opening a ticket requires account activation first. Leading to today, when I’ve received thousands of signup attempt emails (again, typically one or two per Zendesk‐hosted forum). This is way more emails than I got last time. I hypothesize that the spammer is doing a “last gasp” attack: now that Zendesk has burned the exploit by no longer including the ticket text in the emails, the spammer is trying every Zendesk site it knows in hopes that some of them are slow to update and still forward the ticket text to the victim.

  • danpalmer 9 hours ago
    For a company utterly dependent on email, Zendesk came across to me as very naive about email sending.

    I did a Zendesk integration shortly after working on a general overhaul of our email at a previous company. The overhaul involved separating out our different types (transactional, marketing, support, etc), and then implementing best practices on deliverability for each of them. Not your day-one email setup, but we were still a small company.

    The comparison to Zendesk's approach was astounding. Assuming you don't want to use a Zendesk address (we didn't, customers thought it was dodgy), the email setup they let you do was bad, and their support folks had no idea about any of the details. DKIM, SPF, etc, was all alien to them. Ironically they had pretty bad support in general.

    • treis 8 hours ago
      I worked at Zendesk on the email team. I think that's just support being support. The core engineers knew what they were doing.
      • otterley 7 hours ago
        I transitioned Zendesk from their original Exim-based ingress/egress SMTP services to Postfix and set up all the DKIM and SPF stuff long before there was ever a mail team. I worked regularly with large email providers to ensure our egress CIDR blocks were clean.

        I like to think I knew what I was doing. :-)

      • danpalmer 8 hours ago
        That's good to know you knew what you were doing! However the product also didn't appear to expose any of the control we needed to have a good email setup. Maybe this is because we weren't paying enough (mentioned in another reply), but we were also never directed to pay more despite asking for this sort of control.
    • rpcope1 9 hours ago
      > DKIM, SPF, etc, was all alien to them. Ironically they had pretty bad support in general.

      So basically good old fashioned "quality" enterprise shitware.

      • danpalmer 9 hours ago
        Not necessarily, our support team kinda loved it. I used the interfaces and it was pretty good software in many ways. They just didn't seem to be very capable when it came to medium complexity email setups. Many of their setup guides literally tell you to log into support address Gmail and set up a forwarding rule to send everything to Zendesk.

        I suspect the issue is that we weren't paying enough. We had maybe 10 seats. I bet if you're buying 1000 seats a bunch of Zendesk engineers turn up and configure everything for you, but with the robust email setup needing that engineering time on their side to configure... so I guess in that way it may be Enterprise shitware.

  • catgirlinspace 2 hours ago
    weirdly i have 10+ wild card domains and some very public emails (websites with nothing to prevent bots) yet i’ve not gotten even one?
  • Gualdrapo 9 hours ago
    Thank you for letting us know, got a bunch of those in the last two hours, like one each five minutes, but it seems they've stopped (at least for now).
  • bravetraveler 6 hours ago
    They're being used to hit addresses of mine exposed to Discord and GitHub. Catch-all had the names of two people in the news, oddly, as well. Hint: 1,000 bottle delivery to an island.
    • lynndotpy 5 hours ago
      Those names are diddy and epstein, for those wondering.
      • ddtaylor 5 hours ago
        Why do we have to tease out the names of convicted criminals?
        • bravetraveler 34 minutes ago
          More 'entertainment' than 'requirement', peer named them correctly. Just following their footsteps (minus prison, the afterlife, etc)
        • lynndotpy 5 hours ago
          I am not sure what you mean. But I did receive many `epstein@` and `diddy@` catch-alls. As I type, they're starting up again.
  • axka 11 hours ago
    I'm getting emails titled "Activate account for ...", and addressed to random names of web services at my domain (e.g. reddit@example.org). Also Twitch-related names like pog, kekw and xqc.

    Also super annoying are crypto scams sent from an Italian ISP's (tiscali.it, shame on you) email service, even though I tried to contact the ISP, but that's unrelated to this.

    • trevyn 11 hours ago
      Yep, same here, with those exact prefixes...
  • noname120 13 hours ago
    Yeah same here, specifically on my (public) GitHub email address
  • rootxy 7 hours ago
    Same here, I removed my email address from Github and all other public pages
  • timvisee 9 hours ago
    I've also received about 40 messages, on mail adresses I've never used before.
  • dang 10 hours ago
    I got about 50 of these this morning and thought it was a disgruntled HN user.
  • Wingy 8 hours ago
    I got 201 activation emails in 98 minutes.
  • bitwize125 11 hours ago
    sounds like a sign up bomb for github addresses, these are typically used to hide new login notifications by threat actors
  • akpa1 9 hours ago
    I've been getting some of these these to my wildcard domain - I've had sign-up messages sent to diddy@<domain> and epstein@<domain>, which is... odd. And no, I can't say I've ever used those addresses.
    • Wingy 8 hours ago
      I had several sent to these local parts as well.
  • _Chief 11 hours ago
    Received 15+ in 10mins on a public email (dropbox, soundcloud, gitlab, tidelift etc). Then just started hitting handles on the domain ( diddy@, epstein@ ). Just placing an aggressive block for "Activate account" and "zendesk" in content for now
  • graton 11 hours ago
    Same. I've gotten over 30 I think.
  • petetnt 12 hours ago
    Started getting these too just now
  • LoganDark 9 hours ago
    Huh. I thought this was targeted to me in particular, because it started coming up with new aliases at my Firefox Relay subdomain, and then only once I started blocking them it started using plus-addressing on my gmail. Annoying.
  • adityashankar 9 hours ago
    I just got 50 emails lol, this really sucks, phew glad i am not alone