C++26: A User-Friednly assert() macro

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45 points | by jandeboevrie 3 days ago

9 comments

  • adzm 0 minutes ago
    One of my favorite things from ATL/WTL was the _ASSERT_E macro which additionally converts the source expression to text for a better message to be logged
  • MontagFTB 3 hours ago
    Putting code with side effects into an assert is asking for trouble. Compile with NDEBUG set and the effects mysteriously disappear! Anything beyond an equality expression or straight boolean should be avoided.
    • maccard 51 minutes ago
      Indeed.

         bool is_even(int* valPtr) {
            assert(valPtr != nullptr);
            return *valPtr % 2;
          }
      
      Does not do what you think it does with nullptr. A major game engine [0] has a toggle to enable asserts in shipping builds, mostly for this reason

      [0] https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/...

      • dccsillag 37 minutes ago
        I'm sorry, but what exactly is the problem with the code? I've been staring at it for quite a while now and still don't see what is counterintuitive about it.
        • IshKebab 24 minutes ago
          There's nothing wrong with it. It does exactly what you think it does when passed null.
    • samiv 34 minutes ago
      That's why you define your own assert macro and keep in on unconditionally. Your programs will be better for it.
      • jandrewrogers 11 minutes ago
        An assertion can be arbitrarily expensive to evaluate. This may be worth the cost in a debug build but not in a release build. If all of assertions are cheap, they likely are not checking nearly as much as they could or should.
        • samiv 2 minutes ago
          Possibly but I've never seen it in practice that some assert evaluation would be the first thing to optimize. Anyway should that happen then consider removing just that assert.
    • usrnm 1 hour ago
      I once spent several days debugging that same mistake. Stuff worked perfectly in tests but broke misteriously in production builds. Couldn't stop laughing for a few minutes when I finally figured it out.
    • nyc_pizzadev 2 hours ago
      This is just a symptom of a bad assert() implementation, which funny enough is the standard. If you properly (void) it out, side effects are maintained.

      https://github.com/fiberfs/fiberfs/blob/7e79eaabbb180b0f1a79...

    • jmalicki 2 hours ago
      Side effects are bad of course, but anything beyond a straight boolean or equality is bad?

      `assert(vector.size() < 3)` is ridiculous to you?

    • nealabq 1 hour ago
      I don't mean to be that guy, but for "functional" programmers a print statement has "side effects".

      But your meaning is clear. In an assert expression, don't call functions that might change the program/database state. Be as "const" as possible.

      • toxik 1 hour ago
        Not just for functional programmers. Prints and other I/O operations absolutely are side effects. That's not running counter to the point being made. Print in an assert and NDEBUG takes away that behavior.
  • omoikane 3 hours ago
    > (assert) doesn't follow the usual SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE convention we associate with macros

    There are a few things like that, for example:

    https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/numeric/math/isnan - isnan is an implementation defined macro.

    https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/io/fgetc - `getc` may be implemented as a macro, but often it's a function.

    • nealabq 1 hour ago
      In C++ you should probably #include <cstdio> instead of <stdio.h> unless you have a good reason. And especially avoid #including both. <cstdio> provides the function std::getc(..) while <stdio.h> usually provides getc(..) as a macro.

      htons(..) and related socket-utility names are also often macros, but I'm pretty sure there is not a std::htons(..) in the C++ standard, partly because 'htons' is not an attractive name. Since it's (sometimes) a macro don't qualify its namespace like ::htons(..).

      A long time ago in the Microsoft C (and later C++) dev envs there were macros named "min" and "max", which I thought were terrible names for macros.

      • adzm 3 minutes ago
        > A long time ago in the Microsoft C (and later C++) dev envs there were macros named "min" and "max", which I thought were terrible names for macros.

        Yeah, this is still in windows.h unless you #define NOMINMAX

        I remember having to guard against this in some inline code by surrounding the c++ calls with parenthesis, eg `(std::min)(a, b)`

  • nyc_pizzadev 3 hours ago
    The nice thing about assert() is you can just define your own:

    https://github.com/fiberfs/fiberfs/blob/7e79eaabbb180b0f1a79...

    In this case, the ability to see the actual values that triggered the assert is way more helpful.

  • amelius 2 hours ago
    Shouldn't the preprocessor be fixed, if it trips that easily on common C++ constructs?
    • marginalia_nu 2 hours ago
      Preprocessor is just doing text transformations on the sources.

      It's not really something that can be fixed, other than moving away from the preprocessor and putting metaprogramming capabilities into the language itself (which C++ has been doing).

      • amelius 36 minutes ago
        I mean, you could extend it such that a simple comma has no special meaning.

        But I agree, fewer special tricks is better and that includes the preprocessor.

    • tom_ 2 hours ago
      I'm sure the standardization committee are always looking for fresh ideas!
  • grokcodec 2 hours ago
    Friedns shouldn't let Freidns post on HN without running spell check
  • semiinfinitely 2 hours ago
    "C++47: Finally, a Standard Way to Split a String by Delimiter"
    • porise 1 hour ago
      I'm still waiting for C++ to support Unicode properly.
  • throwpoaster 2 hours ago
    assert(spellcheck(“Friednly”));