11 comments

  • kristianp 2 hours ago
    > Numbers like that buy a model a real migration effort.

    Such a silly choice of words. I wish the human directing the LLM writing the article put some effort into rewriting the worst examples of LLM style.

    > But it did extremely well, and the promise was immediate and specific: builds finishing in less than half the wall-clock time, at 27% lower cost, scoring at or above our incumbent on completed work.

    The way the LLMs write (Claude perhaps?) With short phrases separated by colons, commas or full stops, is so poor and frustrating.

    There some good insights behind this article, so it's worth reading, for example below, but it isn't easy to read.

    > Earlier GPT models cached implicitly on partial prefix matches, which gave decent hit rates for free. GPT-5.6 dropped partial-prefix matching:

    • w4yai 1 hour ago
      Can we get over the detective work about if the text was written by LLM or not in 2026 already ? This is a lost cause, and we could instead focus on substance over syntax.
      • liquidise 59 minutes ago
        Not OP but my frustrations come from it being impossible to ignore and outright distracting.

        I've found the same thing showing with Claude-coded/designed front ends that overuse the same semi-monospaced fonts, Blue/Yellow/Red palette and rounded corner borders. It isn't that it is bad, but it often isn't fit for purpose.

        You're right it wont change anything, but authors shouldn't be surprised when people who care about their time/attention comment on low/no effort pieces.

      • justAnotherHero 28 minutes ago
        To me it's a useful signal not to read an article that someone didn't bother to write.

        Which is a shame as real insights are buried inside some of these articles, which if the author bothered to write in his own words could have reached an audience that would have appreciated them.

        To me writing is one of the areas where I want no LLM involvement.

      • spicyusername 1 hour ago
        The problem is that the second you suspect something is written by AI, its a pretty good signal that 50-80% of the text is empty of meaning. Maybe that will change, but LLMs are terrible and inefficient writers.

        Only so much time in the day, its a quick signal to not waste anymore of it.

        • lewistaariq 58 minutes ago
          Correct. AI == Credibility hit and it's increasing as more humans get used to feeling they are AI slop consumers, not worth the time for genuine human engagement. Human engagement costs are increasing. Amazing to read/watch.
      • jeremyjh 12 minutes ago
        Evaluating substance takes time - perhaps more than was invested in the article to begin with. So these tells are very distracting because as soon as I see them I wonder if the person who prompted the LLM even bothered to read the output. If they haven't, then I certainly shouldn't invest the time to determine if there is any substance.
      • conjectures 6 minutes ago
        What substance? That they consume a newer model from the same vendor?
      • 1123581321 45 minutes ago
        It's both poor substance and style, in most cases (and this case.)

        Pointing out they generated it at least encourages them to write a shorter article that says what they meant.

      • jraph 48 minutes ago
        I have a counter proposition: don't fall for this constant suggestion that LLMs are an unavoidable future would you leave the techbros alone now pretty please, relentlessly keep reminding that we still don't think it's acceptable so people don't start to think this is okay since nobody complains anymore.

        I appreciate these comments, they save me time for procrastinating elsewhere.

    • try-working 26 minutes ago
      You should make sure to not read Stratechery then. It's writing is even worse.
    • TacticalCoder 21 minutes ago
      > The way the LLMs write (Claude perhaps?) With short phrases separated by colons, commas or full stops, is so poor and frustrating.

      Yup llmish (from now on it's called "llmish") sucks.

      But I'd say: at this point it's probably trivial to write a browser extension that detects llmish and that rewrites the worst sentences: from llmish to something less irritating to read. Heck, I could spent tokens on that: an extension that changes on the fly llmish found on webpages.

      Also I'd say there's typically no swearing at all in llmish: llmish is too politically correct for swearing. So the rewrite could maybe also use a few "offending" words.

      Offending words that, btw, are not going to go well with Gen Zers. Poor Gen Z... They've been raised with the state and its institutions (like school and then universities) hammering them with the notion that they were precious little unique snowflakes and now they arrive on the job market only to be told they've been pre-emptively replaced by AIs. And because they cannot stand a single curse word (because it's "offensive to minorities" or something), they'll be driven off by text rewritten to contain curse words. So they're condemned to read the bland, dumb, AI-generated llmish for the rest of their lives.

      Honestly sucks for them. Fuck that.

      • CarRamrod 15 minutes ago
        For me, it's Bottish
  • thiagoperes 25 minutes ago
    We run a lot of varied, tiny, simple workflows that were previously running on 5.4-nano and mini. We transitioned them to 5.6 and noticed exactly this range of improvement across the board. In a few cases, we had improvements in classification.

    I think a lot of people miss that for many companies, a model upgrade like this is basically a one liner.

    Even if you have an amazing model router architecture (which we do for our golden flows), it’s just not worth it. Not to mention reliability and so on

  • bob1029 54 minutes ago
    > we’ve made GPT 5.6 Sol the default model powering every Ploy workspace

    I would consider Luna for parts of the workload that touch actual tools. It is surprisingly capable and it runs fast.

    Sol is great at talking to the human and orchestration of agent calls, but it's just too expensive to use everywhere.

    You can get 5 Luna runs for the cost of 1 Sol run. Statistically speaking, going from one to five samples is a pretty big deal.

  • arikrahman 2 hours ago
    Migrating my workflow to Reasonix with cache hits on Deepseek make requests practically free, and that's on unsubsidized American providers.
  • blfr 3 hours ago
    > Ploy’s agent builds and edits real marketing websites. It plans a page, reads the codebase, writes components, generates imagery, screenshots its own work, and decides when it’s done. That job description sets a very high bar for a model, and we test every frontier release against it. For the four months Opus held the default slot (first Opus 4.7, then 4.8), nothing we tested beat it.

    Well, unlike OP I haven't run a rigorous test, but I still would expect Fable to be significantly better at building marketing websites than Opus. It sure is way better at building decks.

    • greenavocado 3 hours ago
      4.7 is very autistic in terms of following directions so I find OPs claims plausible
  • estebarb 2 hours ago
    But what users prefer? Given this is for marketing, which results produce more conversions? From the examples shown, personally I strongly preferred Claude Opus in all cases.
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  • hankbond 3 hours ago
    Thank you for a dense informative article with practical takeaways. This was an easy read and it reinforced the importance of some concepts in LLM based pipeline design.