Even if you don't want to use open models, you should cheer for them anyway because it puts the American frontier labs' feet to the flames. This competition is awesome for us consumers.
Yes, thanks for this, Deepseek! (I did start using the Deepseek harness and v4 flash due to the crazy low usage limits on sol and I'm quite pleased to have discovered how capable both of those are -- both have now earned a place in my agentic workflow).
So in other words, right now you have free choice between Claude and Codex and developers are choosing Claude of their own free will, but you want management to come in and force people to use Codex instead?
If it’s so much better, developers will switch. Lots of devs at my company have switched recently. But plenty of others have stayed on Claude.
I don’t think one is clearly better in every way right now. Or at least not better enough to make people want to learn and set up a new tool.
What's the deal with anthropic? Their models aren't better. They're just multiple times more expensive. We're about to disable all anthropic models because of the colleagues who waste 15$ on a opus call to write a markdown file.
I hope these type of dismissive comments stop in HN. OpenAI have been reducing prices since for ever so these kinda things are really the consequence of finding efficiencies and passing it down due to competition and increasing demand.
“GPT-5.6 Sol is available at promotional pricing, 50% off standard rates, through September 3, 2026. The default tier is $2.00 per 1M input tokens, $0.20 per 1M cached input tokens, $2.50 per 1M cache write tokens, and $10.00 per 1M output tokens. The long context tier is $4.00 per 1M input tokens, $0.40 per 1M cached input tokens, $5.00 per 1M cache write tokens, and $15.00 per 1M output tokens.”
Their X post[1] indicated that they've been trying to combat reselling subscription plans via token API gateways and at the same time many, many people, myself included, have seen a drastic drop in available weekly capacity for the same amount of queries/tokens, all else being equal. So they may be trying to make subscriptions and API access more equal to each other from both ends.
> is altman playing 4d chess or something I'm not aware of?
Anthropic just removed a discount on Fable, while people are simultaneously getting sick of reading fable and opus talking about “the load bearing texture” and “color of the blanket”. It’s become excruciatingly painful to read the output during coding sessions.
My personal best case scenario is that LLMs are commodotizing and that the "We'll rule the world with our frontier models" vision of OpenAI and Anthropic is not working out.
They can and probably will still be very successful but what they pitched so far is not going to work if their is any meaningful competition not too far behind.
But who knows. VC money allows them to try a lot of stuff before their eventual IPO.
It seems that they lack a holistic strategy. All these decisions probably make sense in isolation but together they create a huge mess.
Given the increased pressure from open weight models (still 6 months behind but now more than good enough for most use cases) the frontier labs really have to step up their game.
Switching is as easy as typing /model in most harnesses so there's effectively zero moat.
Or maybe… you know.. their margins are that high and by passing down the efficiency gains to consumer they can get market share and induce more demand?
It is absurd for the Chat Latest (chat-latest) model to now be pricier than Sol. For those who prefer a non-thinking instant model, it is the model of choice, not Sol.
Also, they have done nothing for the TTS model which remains ridiculously priced.
Probably even higher because openai and anthropic undoubtably have the lowest cost per token generated, especially with cerebras being able to serve a million tokens every 16 minutes.
Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers
OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat
At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code
I can understand the fatigue - but as of today, for most thing I would say Sol is better.
If the opened up the 1M context in Codex, it would be unrivalled.
Enterprise may have a bit more difficulty context switching. Pun intended.
If it’s so much better, developers will switch. Lots of devs at my company have switched recently. But plenty of others have stayed on Claude.
I don’t think one is clearly better in every way right now. Or at least not better enough to make people want to learn and set up a new tool.
1. https://xcancel.com/thsottiaux/status/2090675027670978569#m
pushing your API subscriber base towards a competitor with an exclusive 50%, openrouter, the other day ...
slashing paying codex subscriber usage limits to the point that many are cancelling long term contracts they've had with the company ...
is altman playing 4d chess or something I'm not aware of?
because from the outside, each of these moves looks pretty bad on the face of it
How do you know they don’t?
> is altman playing 4d chess or something I'm not aware of?
Anthropic just removed a discount on Fable, while people are simultaneously getting sick of reading fable and opus talking about “the load bearing texture” and “color of the blanket”. It’s become excruciatingly painful to read the output during coding sessions.
Maybe it’s just good marketing.
They can and probably will still be very successful but what they pitched so far is not going to work if their is any meaningful competition not too far behind.
But who knows. VC money allows them to try a lot of stuff before their eventual IPO.
Given the increased pressure from open weight models (still 6 months behind but now more than good enough for most use cases) the frontier labs really have to step up their game.
Switching is as easy as typing /model in most harnesses so there's effectively zero moat.
I believe Astra is the next model beyond Sol? They used it for https://openai.com/index/ten-advances-in-mathematics/
What’s 4d chess in this?
Also, they have done nothing for the TTS model which remains ridiculously priced.
https://x.com/openai/status/2090885187634905500