Z80–The 1970s Microprocessor Still Alive

(computer.org)

47 points | by asdefghyk 3 hours ago

5 comments

  • getfacl 2 hours ago
    Tom Jennings, the creator of fidenet, is producing a nice modern Z80 computer[0]

    0. https://www.ebay.ie/itm/206496219323

    • JKCalhoun 36 minutes ago
      RC2014 is the real deal: https://rc2014.co.uk

      Why I have not picked one up yet… I think I just have a sweet spot for the 6502 and keep putting together KIM-1 kits.

      (EDIT: Finally after years, I just pulled the trigger on their Classic II kit.)

    • varjag 2 hours ago
      (emulated)
  • meekins 2 hours ago
    Due to its simplicity it's a fun little processor to program. Hacking on some assembly on a ZX spectrum emulator is a nice way to stay sane in this high abstraction LLM age.
    • flohofwoe 2 hours ago
      "Simple" is really not a word I would associate with the Z80 ;)

      The ISA is quite messy because of the backward compatibility requirement with the Intel 8080 (e.g. the Z80 had to fill undocumented gaps in the 8080 opcode encoding map with new instructions, four of which were prefix instructions to unlock additional instruction 'subsets' (DD/FD for replacing instructions involving the HL register pair with indexed addressing modes via the IX/IY registers, and ED/CB prefixes for adding two entirely new opcode blocks).

      If the Zilog engineers would have been free to design their own ISA I'm sure they would have been able to come up with a much more elegant design.

      Also the Z80 had more than twice as many transistors as the 6502 (8500 for the Z80 vs 3500 for 6502).

      I still prefer programming the Z80 over the 6502 though :)

      • rvba 1 hour ago
        I am simplifying a lot since there were much more chips involved... but 3500 transistors to have countless hours of fun to play NES games really puts things into perspective

        My 5090 has 92 billion transistors (I dont say they dont bring fun)

      • dosisking 1 hour ago
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  • librasteve 1 hour ago
    interesting to be reminded that an 8080 (8 bit datapath) took 4,800 transistors

    an Apple M5 Max is 100,000,000,000 transistors (ok it’s 18 CPU + 40 GPU cores) by comparison so 17 million 8080 equivalents

    • dosisking 1 hour ago
      This is understandable, considering that the M5 is the Ultimate Computer, powered by Dr. Richard Daystrom's very own engrams
    • dofm 1 hour ago
      The ARM 1 only had 25,000 or so.
      • librasteve 1 hour ago
        wonders how ARM did that - the MIPS R2000 came in at ~115k and the 80286 ~134k

        anyway - say you want 50% of the transistors for on chip RAM these days, then thats

        100 billion / 50 thousand = 2 million ARM 1s

        clocking at say 3GHz

        6e15 MIPS = 6 peta MIPS

        so if you could run code on it, you would get a 10,000x speed up ;-)

    • TacticalCoder 58 minutes ago
      Yup and Moore's law about transistors doubling every 18 to 24 months did basically hold, which is even more impressive.

      Foreseen it was.

    • flohofwoe 1 hour ago
      Nitpicking, but since the M5 includes cache and GPU a more realistic comparision would probably be to count all transistors in an entire 8-bit home computer system against a modern integrated GCPU (e.g. from googling around a C64 might have around 0.75 million transistors, most in the memory chips).

      And in a way, those old 8-bit home computers also worked like a single integrated 'super-chip', because the whole system was driven by a single clock and entirely 'hard realtime', while modern computers are much more asynchronous (and I guess this asynchronous design is what enabled most performance improvements that go beyond pure transistor count scaling).

  • julienmartlet 2 hours ago
    Ironically (and sadly) the Z80 was discontinued not very long after this piece was published.
    • grishka 2 hours ago
      I'm sure clones are still being made.
      • nubinetwork 1 hour ago
        The cpu possibly, but I had a hard time trying to find the support chips (ctc, sio/pio, etc)...
  • asdefghyk 3 hours ago
    A paragrap from the linked articale

    Z80 was the choice of a microprocessor for then home computers such as Radio Shack TRS-80, SORD M23P, M5, Sinclair ZX81, ZX Spectrum, KayPro II, and many other manufacturers.3 It was capable of running the CP/M operating system in most Z80-based PCs. Z80 had a reasonable share in the PC market until Intel revealed its 16-bit microprocessor in the mid-1980s. Z80 was very popular as a microprocessor not only in PC applications, but also in industrial embedded applications, and some of the big manufacturers have Z80 core inside their ASIC chips still today or use enhanced versions of Z80 in consumer electronic devices.4–7 Zilog still manufactures ez80, an enhanced version of the original Z80, which is still being used by Texas Instruments in its TI-84 and TI-84 Plus calculators.7 It is among the few silicon chips that made a remarkable impact on the electronic device industry.8 To this day, Zilog produces a range of Z80-based microprocessors and intelligent peripheral controllers, and they are available from reputed electronics component suppliers.2,9,10 This microprocessor is one of the longest living microprocessors of all time.

    • aruggirello 33 minutes ago
      Z80 also powered the whole MSX line of home computers, how could have he missed that?!?
    • smackeyacky 2 hours ago
      Slop from the article