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  • gumby 2 hours ago
    Slovakia has had a longstanding pro-Russia political stance and supports Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (and opposes the EU sanctions).

    You reap what you sow, MFs!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_opposition_to_sanctions...

    • lenkite 52 minutes ago
      It would be extremely stupid of Russia not to spy on Slovakia. If they had properly spied on Ukraine, they could have turned around 2014 and all of Nuland's "regime change" machinations. They have learned their lesson well now - do as the Americans do and spy on everyone - and most especially the "friendly" nations - by any and all means.
    • vrganj 1 hour ago
      One could say that Fico himself is a Russian backdoor...
    • paganel 24 minutes ago
      God forbid for national politicians to think about their națion first! Remind me again, how many British and French soldiers died protecting Poland in 1939? Tens of thousands, isn’t it? The same Brits who were fricking thinking of invading Finland in April of 1940 for daring to sign a peace treaty with the Soviets.
      • azan_ 16 minutes ago
        > God forbid for national politicians to think about their națion first!

        Being pro-russia is being anti-Slovakian though. You get zero upside for teaming with terrorist state and all the downsides.

    • throwaway_49409 1 hour ago
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    • tonyhart7 1 hour ago
      acting like western nation didn't spy to each other
      • reaperducer 1 hour ago
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          • Yiin 54 minutes ago
            it's not about Russia being good or bad, they will do anything in their interest like every other country. What's bad is Slovakia apparently not being careful enough about that.
          • ricardobeat 1 hour ago
            so Russia is the good guy here?
            • tonyhart7 1 hour ago
              now you putting word in my mouth, no one says that

              but pointing "huh huh duurrr Russia is bad" while doing the same shit Russia doing is peak level irony

              You don't have moral high ground

    • greenavocado 2 hours ago
      You must be new to state sponsored malware. Recent false flags are a thing: 2018 Olympic Destroyer, Marble Framework, Silver Fox, MuddyWater Chaos
      • pbrum 43 minutes ago
        Silver Fox is a very vaguely defined Chinese cybercrime group of malware and actors...or are you referring to something else?
      • sofixa 1 hour ago
        > Recent false flags are a thing: 2018 Olympic Destroyer, Marble Framework, Silver Fox, MuddyWater Chaos

        How are any of those false flag? They're state sponsored, by different state actors.

    • chimpontherun 1 hour ago
      I find it amusing that the biggest supporters or Russia in its current war of aggression against Ukraine are/were Hungary, Slovakia, and Serbia -- precisely the countries that should know better, since they were the principal recipients the "love and friendship" from Russia:

      - Hungary: November of 1956

      - Slovakia: "spring" of 1968

      - Serbia: the Stalin's betrayal at the end of WW2

      • codedokode 1 hour ago
        Hungary and Slovakia are largest importers of Russian natural gas in Europe. France is third as I remember.
      • ReptileMan 54 minutes ago
        Are there any other wars that are not of aggression? What do you gain by parroting the legalese speak? Implying that it is extra bad and extra illegal war? Not your run of the mill PG-13 war? This one is X-rated kids.

        Everyone knows who the attacker is - just some people root for Russia for their own reasons. Usually tied to the internal politics of their countries - like hating for unrelated reasons the political actors from their states that happen to support Ukraine.

        • Cpoll 9 minutes ago
          > Are there any other wars that are not of aggression?

          There are concepts like wars of necessity or just wars (e.g. of liberation), but that depends on how cynical you're feeling.

      • vkou 1 hour ago
        Geopolitical decisions aren't made by countries, they are made by individual people.

        Sometimes those people are a plurality that organically endorses that decision and votes some representative in. Sometimes those people are a plurality that has been brainwashed by compromised media to do it. Sometimes those people are just a small ruling elite that get voted in by people who didn't think very hard about those particular geopolitical decisions and just want, I don't know, their political and cultural enemies brutalized and $1.99 gas.

      • spiderfarmer 1 hour ago
        My brother visited some of these countries. He said most people there are oblivious to what happened to their countries. They simply don't care. It also didn't help that everyone he met (agricultural sector) was a day-drinker.

        That's why they're doomed to repeat it. Again and again.

        • Loughla 33 minutes ago
          It's almost like people who are simply trying to survive don't have the time, energy, or space to worry about international, or even national affairs. Weird.
      • dismalaf 22 minutes ago
        A lot of Eastern European countries have oligarchs who largely made their fortunes with help from the Russians. In Czechia one such example is the prime minister Andrej Babiš, who was a bureaucrat in a state owned business who then sold it to himself in the 90s (with the help of some "Swiss" money) and became a billionaire. He's consistently been as pro-Russia as he thinks he can get away with (the positive is that Czechs hate Russians a lot).

        Also in these countries there's a lot of old people who have never been able to adapt to living in a free, capitalist society, so for them, there's some nostalgia for communism.

      • cindyllm 1 hour ago
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      • inglor_cz 1 hour ago
        The Slovaks ultimately got federalization of Czechoslovakia from the crisis (1969), which both distracted them and made their memories less negative.

        As far as Hungary goes, I asked my friend who studied Hungarian history. He explained to me that while the Soviet invasion was very traumatic, the subsequent Kádár "goulash socialism" was a lot more lenient on the people than all the other Soviet Bloc regimes, and that the Hungarians made an incorrectly confident conclusion that losing a small war to the Russians is not catastrophic.

        Of course, this is NOT the experience of basically anyone else who happened to be in a similar situation. A potential puppet regime of Russia in Ukraine wouldn't look like Kádárs by any means, it would rather look like the Kadyrovian microstate in Chechnya, minus the Islam of course.

    • kstenerud 23 minutes ago
      That's a pretty harsh and uninformed take. Russia operates by capturing foreign governments and making their leaders beholden to Russia's interests. When it succeeds, it happens regardless of what the populace actually wants. They've been grooming Trump (along with a dozen or so other potential up-and-comers) since the 80s (Trump was considered a long shot and too unpredictable, but fortune favors the prepared - better weak support of their enemies than full belligerence).

      The Belarusians aren't too thrilled that Russian troops are operating in their country either, but Lukashenko needs Russian support to stay in power, so he walks a tightrope. Notice how noncommittal he is about pretty much everything...

  • bdhdhduuyd 2 hours ago
    So they bought the cameras and some people pointed out they look exactly the same as Russian cameras. The government denied this but after they figured out the serial numbers matched the Russian cameras they started this investigation.

    Good they investigated this before using them, but this sounds like a big fu...

    • caminante 1 hour ago
      This would be far more impressive if not for:

      > multiple reports in Slovak media that linked the purchase to a Cyprus shell company with fake certifications.

      We're talking about this as if it's some precursor to a James Bond plot, but it really fizzles after learning Nina in the sourcing department skipped the compliance paperwork. James Bond doesn't need to leave the bed!

      Trojan exploits aside, I just assume that it'd be easier for someone in SVR/GRU to bribe an admin.

      • locknitpicker 29 minutes ago
        > We're talking about this as if it's some precursor to a James Bond plot, but it really fizzles after learning Nina in the sourcing department skipped the compliance paperwork.

        That's exactly the sort of thing that James Bond would do.

    • NuclearPM 2 hours ago
      A big what?
      • GauntletWizard 2 hours ago
        A big fuck-up, but some people prefer (nobly even if I don't abide by the same rule) to keep some words out of their mouths.
        • amelius 11 minutes ago
          spelled like that the "u" could mean "you".
      • bdhdhduuyd 2 hours ago
        fuck up
    • yieldcrv 1 hour ago
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      • phatfish 1 hour ago
        Sounds plausable.

        There is a video somewhere of a Finnish university professor from around the time the war started (maybe a bit before), explaining the Russian attitude to sportsmanship, or whatever you want to call it.

        Basically he suggested cheating is not considered unethical in Russia. If you are not using all means available to reach your goal you are leaving something on the table and are weak. This applies to all levels of society.

        I would be cautious of such generalisations normally. But the industrial scale cheating at the winter Olympics says a lot.

        • pepperoni_pizza 52 minutes ago
          "Who does not steal [from the state] steals from his family." - Eastern bloc communist era worker proverb.
      • FpUser 1 hour ago
        >"it’s just cultural" - so is being fucking racist
        • yieldcrv 1 hour ago
          generalizations about a group of people are not “racist” when not talking about race, they’re also not inherently pejoratives either. reduction is to know what to expect

          still buy the cameras, still buy the natural gas

          just dont go on the public record saying its not backdoored knowing the supply chain

          but assuming there was some introspection you were hoping to reveal, which culture were you considering to be racist?

          • FpUser 26 minutes ago
            >"generalizations about a group of people are not “racist” when not talking about race" - cut the bull please.
      • spwa4 1 hour ago
        They also like to bomb people, so probably best to not let them locate individuals (or anything else) easily by using Russian traffic cams ...
        • varjag 1 hour ago
          It's remarkable how much the Russians love fighting given how generally inept they are at it.
          • vkou 1 hour ago
            They are only losing one war in the last few decades, another major empire has in that timeframe lost one and is currently losing another.
  • Animats 34 minutes ago
    > the cameras expose live streams to anyone without a password and who knows their broadcasting IP.

    Are these cameras in use in Russia? Can people outside of Russia look in at Russian traffic in this way?

  • juliusceasar 48 minutes ago
    Russia to Slovakia is Israel to USA. Puppet state.
  • tokai 1 hour ago
    It seems like a silly mess. But its easier than it sounds to end up in such a situation. We're are a lot of HN Kagi users that just have to trust that the Yandex collaboration is fully watertight.
  • tomas789 2 hours ago
    Imagine somebody being able to track almost anyone using road side cameras. Good thing such things happen only in eastern Europe wink wink
    • somenameforme 1 hour ago
      Most cameras are insecure by default. Check out: http://www.insecam.org/en/ or https://www.shodan.io/ The first isn't even using default access creds, which I suspect is what was 'discovered' in this case, but cameras that immediately hook up to the internet with 0 restrictions to access.
    • lifestyleguru 1 hour ago
      For the goal of recording a cat scratching their car or catching an imaginary thief neighbour (a magpie or fox stole that thing that one time, you dullard) people will plug into Chinese, Russian, and American video surveillance networks in no time and pay for it.
  • lifestyleguru 1 hour ago
    Slovakian prime minister is doing proud photos with Putin despite the ongoing war so the backdoor looks like a desired feature not a bug or fuck up.
  • irishcoffee 2 hours ago
    Next up, chinese solar inverter firmware.
    • hansoolo 9 minutes ago
      Do they even need that since, when most of the converters are attached to the Chinese cloud?
    • victorbjorklund 2 hours ago
      To do what? Turn off the power in random individual houses?
      • jwr 33 minutes ago
        I think synchronized operations could really disrupt the grid — think thousands of inverters switching backfeeding to the grid on/off, causing waves and disruption. Or thousands of inverters having their grid sync disabled, simultaneously operating to shift the frequency of the grid (very bad).
      • wongarsu 2 hours ago
        I'd be worried about the inverters in large commercial solar plants. On a sunny day you could easily cause a blackout by turning enough solar capacity off at once. Maybe shut down the entire grid when the sudden power imbalances trip the self- protection in half the grid. That's a pain to recover from. Spain went through that not too long ago

        But maybe rapidly switching residential solar on and off in a coordinated way can also do funny things to grid equipment

      • rollulus 2 hours ago
        Any idea what happens to the grid when a significant chunk of solar power suddenly disconnects?
        • hsuduebc2 9 minutes ago
          There are always some “stable” power sources kept on standby that can be activated within minutes, for example gas turbines. In European electricity markets, generators can actually be paid simply for keeping this reserve capacity available, even if they are not producing much electricity most of the time.

          The problem is that a few minutes is still too slow when a large power source suddenly drops out. The grid needs an immediate response, which can come from fast reserves such as batteries, hydro, pumped storage and other generators that can react automatically.

          Pumped storage is basically gravitational energy storage: you pump water uphill when electricity is plentiful, then release it through turbines when power is needed.

          I quite fancy electrical grid.

      • nom 1 hour ago
        nah, the ones connected to the grid... you turn them all off during peak sun hours at the exact same time

        same issue with large loads like boilers, this stuff should never be connected to the internet, but it is

        if you can control enough load on the grid you can do real damage

      • randoot 2 hours ago
        DDoS, anonymizer proxy, and turn off power in large commercial installations. They kinda deserve it for investing in solar. US holds all the power in social media, can't blame China if they want to utilize their lead in solar for something too.

        Hopefully mutually assured annoyance keeps everyone at bay.

      • bdhdhduuyd 2 hours ago
        To set roofs on fire?

        In the end it's all about trust. Right now I don't see why China would like to burn down their market.

        • cyanydeez 2 hours ago
          guys, do we need to reinvent the same Hanlon razor but for capitalism: Dont attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by capitalism?
          • probably_wrong 1 hour ago
            If we're reinventing sayings, I suggest Clarke's third law first: Any sufficiently advanced capitalism is indistinguishable from malice.
      • vkou 50 minutes ago
        To piss away decades of hard-earned trust in its products for some short-term one-time political 'pwn' of the enemy.

        If that goal sounds stupid to you, that's because it is. I would expect some countries that are not China to act with such a capricious lack of foresight.

      • emdash 2 hours ago
        Some of those are networked I think?
        • tomas789 1 hour ago
          Most of them are. Including the biggest ones.
      • newsclues 2 hours ago
        Track usage patterns to know when people are at home and then rob them.
      • 2OEH8eoCRo0 2 hours ago
        The HN version of "I have nothing to hide."
        • giancarlostoro 2 hours ago
          The nothing to hide thing isnt even an HN only thing unfortunately.
    • szundi 2 hours ago
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  • LogTrim 1 hour ago
    The detail that gets me is the Ministry saying the cameras were safe because they'd be on a closed network, while the backdoor can apparently be triggered via SMS from hardcoded phone numbers.

    That's a pretty good demonstration of why "it's not exposed to the internet" isn't a security boundary if the device itself has an out-of-band communications path.

    Add Secure Boot being disabled and unauthenticated live streams and this seems less like one unfortunate backdoor and more like nobody established what the trust boundary was supposed to be in the first place.

  • yodon 1 hour ago
    Zero chance of vulns in flock, so we're good in the US /s
  • sssilver 1 hour ago
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    • flohofwoe 1 hour ago
      The article is neither about Germany nor about the US.
      • sssilver 1 hour ago
        It's about allies spying on each other, a common practice since the dawn of civilization.