A website for debloated open source alternatives

(debloat.dev)

48 points | by ryanvogel 1 hour ago

6 comments

  • reconnecting 42 minutes ago
    Sign in with Google or Github only? No, thank you.
  • WalterGR 58 minutes ago
    How is “bloat” measured here? Or is this simply a list of open source alternatives to commercial products?
    • joshuat 35 minutes ago
      The inclusion of Tailscale here was a little surprising to me. I'm betting on the latter.
      • ad_fontes 16 minutes ago
        I like Tailscale, but it's difficult to argue with a straight face that it's not seriously suffered from product creep.

        This is the inherent problem with tech start-ups. Once they solve the problem they were founded to solve, then what? It's feature complete, but investors insist that the line must go up. Can you imagine if `sed` or `vim` was brought to market by a venture-backed company?

        IMHO, capitalism and FOSS are fundamentally incompatible.

  • hnlmorg 1 hour ago
    In the TV and Media section (https://debloat.dev/c/tv-media) there are 11 recommendations and 4 of them are XBMC.

    There used to be so many options for media centres. What happened?

    • piaste 1 hour ago
      I think it's just a pretty consolidated space? Kind of like ebook management, which was dominated by Calibre for so many years (this changed recently).

      But unlike ebooks, media centre management is a fair bit more complex since it involves supporting many different media formats and many forms of acceleration or transcoding.

      So the big projects - Kodi for local media and Jellyfin for streaming - have a lot of inertia because they tend to support whatever you throw at them.

      • hnlmorg 37 minutes ago
        It’s not that difficult to be honest. VLC / ffmpeg can do most of the heavy lifting. And there’s no shortage of libraries for rendering in a UI.

        There used to be dozens of options to choose from. Multiple different XBMC forks. Multiples different Subsonic forks. Multiple different DNLA servers. Multitudes of web-based servers. CLI MP3 servers. Independent media centres for a variety of different consoles.

        Maybe that’s still available and just not indexed on that site. But I noticed the choices had shrank significantly last year when I was looking for Plex alternatives compared with when I last built a media centre approximately 15 years ago.

        Maybe smart TVs have reduced people’s desire here?

        • metek 17 minutes ago
          I think I understand how to use about 20 of the command line options for ffmpeg and the companion utilities like ffprobe. Which is to say; I understand about 0.5% of the total options they provide and am likely a world leading expert in it. I'm mostly joking -- as in, overstating how many of them I understand.

          Understanding ffmpeg borders on a specialization in itself. No big surprise that so many of the alternatives have fallen away over the years as people realize the absolute scope of that piece of software.

          • hnlmorg 2 minutes ago
            You don’t need to understand much of ffmpeg to build a media centre. Your requirements here are extremely simplified and there are hundreds of guides online on how to use it for very simple transcoding.

            But if you don’t want to use ffmpeg directly then use one of the many ffmpeg wrappers. Or a different lib entirely like gstreamer or VLC.

            Around 15 years ago I built a media centre for my car and the media playback part turned out to be the easiest part of the project.

      • intelkishan 40 minutes ago
        What did the ebook space change into?
      • cosmic_cheese 54 minutes ago
        It's logical, but the low variety is disappointing nonetheless and makes it more likely than none of the available options are well-suited to one's needs/desires.

        In the case of media management, ffmpeg is easily usable with just about every programming language in existence and its usage is extremely well-trodden at this point, which makes the vacuum of newer alternatives to the XBMC lineage all the more puzzling.

        • metek 17 minutes ago
          You know that recent social media trend where you name 100 women? Try naming 100 ffmpeg command line options.
  • ranger_danger 36 minutes ago
    I like the retro ebay style page design.
  • sam_lowry_ 54 minutes ago
    suckless.org?
    • moron4hire 41 minutes ago
      "Use /* */ for comments, not //."

      I find stuff like this hilarious. No software project has ever failed, or even slow down one iota, because of the comment style. This is just someone's personal "ick" masquerading as "coding standards."

      EDIT: I think it has actually been becoming a dad of two boys that has absolutely killed my patience for this kind of thing. A lot of it is so similar to how my children argue with each other over absolutely trivial things. Add in the way they say "I don't like that" as "that's not fair" (my children) or "that's not consistent" (the bike shedding nerds) and it just makes me want to scream, "stop whining!"

      • hnlmorg 30 minutes ago
        Whilst I do agree with you on that specific example, it’s worth noting that code standards as a whole are a somewhat blurry line that can be extremely subjective at times.
  • yannoninator 48 minutes ago
    Is there a marker to know if any of these tools are AI generated slop here?

    That would be a good feature here.

    • ad_fontes 21 minutes ago
      How do you define "AI generated slop"?

      There's also an implicit judgment in your question. Is well-designed, well-tested AI-generated code worse than poorly written, but hand-typed code?