Postgres SELECT DISTINCT Does Not Scale

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56 points | by KraftyOne 1 day ago

4 comments

  • nattaylor 3 hours ago
    • Tepix 49 minutes ago
      As is mentioned in the article (now).
      • Dylan16807 22 minutes ago
        (since it was originally posted)
  • sandeepkd 44 minutes ago
    It says that the company is co-founded by Postgres creator. I find that bit hard to believe given that there is nothing novel in the article, probably discovery for them. I do understand that everyone has to go through their own journey to learn these things but at the same time when you are running business then seeking professional help isnt a bad idea.

    Based on my experience queries like these cannot scale, whatever you do. However if you are already on a path where you had invested a lot in such queries then hire a DBA, if you are not far off then hire an architect to model the data for better performance.

    • Dylan16807 25 minutes ago
      Scale with what? If you have m distinct values in an index, then listing them this way takes m log(n) time, which is fine for many use cases no matter how much data you have.
      • sandeepkd 15 minutes ago
        The way the OP is trying to achieve all the goals by pushing the complexity on the queries/database is what I am referring to as non-scalable as data grows on SQL DB.

        > If you have m distinct values in an index, then listing them this way takes m log(n) time, which is fine for many use cases no matter how much data you have.

        And NO the runtimes are not right away applicable on machines at scale. You are dealing with DB locks, page sizes, available memory, existing data in memory, queue depth. Experienced folks get paid to short circuit such learnings

    • stemchar 22 minutes ago
      It's Stonebraker, he has a history of doing this to sell shit to people who don't need it.
  • thesuperevil 1 hour ago
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  • DiabloD3 4 hours ago
    "Postgres SELECT DISTINCT Does Not Scale"

    Correct. This is documented in depth: DISTINCT sorts the results first.

    The article's use case seems to imply the author did not know about GROUP BY, nor does it imply the author knew about indexes, nor ANALYZE. Postgres 18's new skip scan indexing also could help here, so ensuring the planner chooses that could help.

    • Dylan16807 4 hours ago
      Would GROUP BY fix the issue?

      The article explains that skip scan doesn't do anything here.

      > nor does it imply the author knew about indexes, nor ANALYZE

      Indexes were talked about a lot, and they explicitly mentioned looking at the query plan.

      • DiabloD3 59 minutes ago
        The article seems to have changed since I commented.
        • Dylan16807 33 minutes ago
        • Twisell 41 minutes ago
          Why don't he use GROUP BY on indexed columns was my first thought also.

          I guess we just have to patiently wait for the OP to hopefully read Postgres documentation from postgreSQL 10.x before correcting the article again.

          • Dylan16807 30 minutes ago
            Does that fix it? Why would people be trying to add new index scanning modes if that's enough to fix it?

            Someone else said it doesn't.

      • gfody 1 hour ago
        nope - either gets you a HashAggregate, GroupAggregate, or Unique depending on whether the column/input is indexed/ordered
    • tpetry 2 hours ago
      Did you even read the article? They show that a perfect index for their query didnt help because Skip Scan is currently not used for DISTINCT queries.