The Legend of von Neumann [pdf]

(gwern.net)

96 points | by suopspaces 2 hours ago

21 comments

  • srejk 1 hour ago
    When you look at it holistically, von Neumann was more influential in science and mathematics in the 20th century than either Einstein or Planck. He wasn't as obvious a symbol of the scientific revolution, but his contributions to SO MANY THINGS at a fundamental level makes him stand out to me.
    • JoeAltmaier 1 hour ago
      It's odd that even today, different disciplines are still silo'd. My son started a research cross-database search engine because different disciplies use different terms for nearly identical concepts. Even within medicine it's silo'd.

      Trouble with that startup was, the medical folks with money don't use computer tools. And the students in training have no money.

      • flipping_beacon 54 minutes ago
        It's crazy that we talk about LLMs, AI/ML and what not but so many fields still don't use computation as much as we think they do simply because they cannot reliably keep up with the advancements happening almost everyday and people simply forgetting about backwards compatibility in their products
    • snapetom 1 hour ago
      Definitely my favorite physicist for the same reason you state. The notion that he just went around different fields and said “here’s how math can improve things,” invented some new approach, and moved on to another field to do it all over again just cracks me up.
      • harpersealtako 13 minutes ago
        Nowadays we'd call that "engineer's disease". I wonder how many potential Von Neumanns were discouraged from branching out into other fields by jealous gatekeepers who assume that any interest in their field by "outsiders", especially technical people, is "epistemic trespassing".
        • lalalandland 2 minutes ago
          For every von Neumann you probably have thousands if not millions of crack pots with ideas not worth wasting time on. So I understand the scepticism
    • delichon 54 minutes ago
      Shannon may be gaining on him.
      • cma 53 minutes ago
        I vote for Wiener at this point
        • ricksunny 18 minutes ago
          I'm more of a Vannevar acolyte myself.
  • SimplyUnknown 2 hours ago
    For a longer read, I can highly recommend the book "The Man from the Future" by Ananyo Bhattacharya. It's quite an easy read and extensively discusses the life and discoveries by John von Neumann in chronological order.
    • stevenwoo 1 hour ago
      I had to frequently pause my read to research a discovery in more depth to understand the significance of it and I got a chuckle when he marries his childhood sweetheart because she got no mention prior to that point in the book.
    • offbeatport 36 minutes ago
      Books from before the age of AI will only become more precious over time. This is great.
    • laserson 1 hour ago
      I read this last year and also recommend!
    • zoltano 33 minutes ago
      He's my favourite mathematician too. Loved The Man from the Future book. Can we get a frontier model named after him perhaps? "Johnny" would be a great codename imo
  • chasd00 1 hour ago
    Not sure what just happened but like 10 comments just vanished. Anyway, here's a wiki link to "The Martians" which was a group of Hungarian scientists and Von Neuman was a member.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)

    "The Martians" (Hungarian: "A marslakók") were a group of prominent scientists (mostly, but not exclusively, physicists and mathematicians) of Hungarian Jewish descent who emigrated from Europe to the United States in the early half of the 20th century.[1]

    Leo Szilard jokingly suggested that Hungary was a front for aliens from Mars."

    • rationalist 1 hour ago
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  • lwarfield 18 minutes ago
    Von Nuemann is one of those names that when ever it comes up I sarcastically mentally note "John f***ing Neumann, AGAIN!". It's happened so many times in my studies that I think he might be the most important scientist to have ever lived.

    He's also the inspiration for one of favorite characters in fiction, Sherkaner Underhill from A Deepness In The Sky*. :)

  • ricksunny 14 minutes ago
    Feels appropriate to mention here recent HN mentions about who deserves credit for 'von Neumann architecture"

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49870485

    • dandersch 8 minutes ago
      Could the controversy behind it be the reason that the author ommitted it? It was established terminology by 1973, as far as I can tell.
  • inasio 31 minutes ago
    The end of life section is a bit whitewashed. Freeman Dyson had an article (struggling to find it) about how von Neumann was invited to give a Hilbert-style lecture on the 10 problems for the new computing age. All the big names at the time were there, but von Neumann was in such poor shape (dementia I assume), that it was decided to pretend it had never happened.

    edit: article is called Birds and Frogs, by Freeman Dyson https://wucj.lab.westlake.edu.cn/Others/Dyson_Birds_and_Frog...

    • BeetleB 24 minutes ago
      He died from cancer - he was only in his 50's. Unlikely to be dementia.
  • alkyon 1 hour ago
    Recently I enjoyed very much The MANIAC by Benjamin Labatut:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_MANIAC

    • joenot443 10 minutes ago
      I enjoyed this one a lot.

      For those who've read other books on von Neumann, do you think The MANIAC is a reasonable summary?

    • dealmeidaleon 58 minutes ago
      I liked the book, it uses an interesting storytelling mechanism of telling each chapter through the lens of a different historical character (his mom, his wife, friends, etc). But I think Labatut sacrificed voice and tone a little bit (there weren’t too many elements to differentiate between each narrator).
  • sourdecor 1 hour ago
    My favorite dude. Imagine one of the world's smartest people almost continually killing himself because he can't stop reading while driving.
  • tbagman 34 minutes ago
    This seems relevant to the current debate on the role of AI in mathematics:

    What made von Neumann great? Was it the extraordinary rapidity with which he could understand and think and the unusual memory that retained everything he had once thought through? No. These qualities, however impressive they might have been, are ephemeral; they will have no more effect on the mathematics and the mathematicians of the future than the prowess of an athlete of a hundred years ago has on the sport of today.

    • random3 32 minutes ago
      How is this relevant?
  • Betelbuddy 1 hour ago
    "The duties of John von Neumann's assistant" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16411799
  • aazo11 18 minutes ago
    Anyone interested in von Newmann should read The Maniac by Benjamin Labatut
  • runlaszlorun 54 minutes ago
    I don't know what ww4 will be fought with... But ww3 will be fought With mat4x4<f32> And 2.4 GHz
  • matltc 47 minutes ago
    Authored by Paul Halmos. He wrote Finite-Dimensional Vector Spaces, which was assigned textbook for my Linear Algebra course. A humbling read for me, coming from calc 3 and thinking I was hot shit. Stripped me of any illusions of becoming a mathematician.
  • bicepjai 35 minutes ago
    I remember reading about how he was also a pioneer in using early supercomputers to predict weather patterns in meteorology. I never thought to combine supercomputers and weather before.
  • Betelbuddy 1 hour ago
    Hungarian high school science fair projects...
  • chk84us 1 hour ago
    Why does it start with page number 382?
    • ketanmaheshwari 1 hour ago
      The PDF is an excerpt from a journal issue: The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 80, No. 4 (April 1973), pp. 382–394.
    • LastTrain 58 minutes ago
      It's an article in a journal
  • jan_m_savage 1 hour ago
    for a chance to experience his mind, I recommend his book: "The computer and the brain".
  • simianwords 44 minutes ago
    OT: I found this style of writing extremely clear and readable. I wonder what is different about this author’s writing. There is zero pretension and just exists to impart information. But if that’s the case why do I hate the writing in Wikipedia?
  • brcmthrowaway 20 minutes ago
    He was good for the time, but Jane Street and Anthropic have hundreds of equivalent intellects working for them.
    • azan_ 15 minutes ago
      Kudos for posting such a good inflammatory comment.
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    • leto_ii 1 hour ago
      Why make it about his ethnicity?
      • dilap 7 minutes ago
        Why not? Von Neumann himself did, in a lighthearted way.

        > I told Banach about an expression Johnny had used with me in Princeton before stating some non-Jewish mathematician's result, "Die Goim haben den folgenden satz beweisen" (The goys have proved the following theorem). Banach, who was pure goy, thought it was one of the funniest sayings he had ever heard. He was enchanted by its implication that if the goys could do it, then Johnny and I ought to be able to do it better. Johnny did not invent this joke, but he liked it and we started using it.

        https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2021/12/adventures-of-mathemat...

      • archontes 1 hour ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)

        The Martians (of which von Neumann is usually the most regarded) were mostly Hungarian jews. It's a point on which some people have mused, so it's easy for the thought to point in that direction when von Neumann is brought up.

        • chasd00 1 hour ago
          from the wiki > Leo Szilard jokingly suggested that Hungary was a front for aliens from Mars.

          I had a girlfriend once who joked that Elon Musk was an alien and needs help developing the technology to get home.

          • archontes 1 hour ago
            By all means, let's let him.
          • gf000 1 hour ago
            I get your point, but..

            Please do NOT disrespect Leo Szilard and von Neumann by comparing their greatness to a lowly scammer

            • Betelbuddy 1 hour ago
              Compared to Elon, people of this thread are the Staff at the Institute for Advanced Studies...
            • chasd00 31 minutes ago
              oh i wasn't comparing anyone to anyone else, only pointing out the humor.
      • freecodeio 1 hour ago
        "if x person is y, and x person has a specific trait, then me being also y means I have the that specific trait"

        In other words, if you don't have a dog, you're gay. (If you know the comic)

    • ckrapu 1 hour ago
      Interestingly, (and independent of the ethnic and cultural background he grew up in) the article said he was a Roman Catholic by the time he expired.
      • _diyar 1 hour ago
        If I remember correctly he converted on his death bed due to his read on Pascal’s wager.
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