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  • surround 1 hour ago
    Here's a list of browser features the skills will tell your agent to use that are stable in Chrome but not supported by both Firefox and Safari:

      CSS @function
      CSS calc-size()
      CSS interpolate-size
      CSS corner-shape
      CSS border-shape
      CSS flex-wrap: balance
      CSS text-fit
      CSS text-decoration-skip-spaces
      CSS scroll-axis-lock
      CSS scroll-target-group
      CSS :target-current
      CSS scroll-initial-target
      CSS container scroll-state queries
      scrollsnapchange event
      scrollsnapchanging event
      HTML focusgroup
      Element.startViewTransition()
      CSS view-transition-scope
      Interest Invokers (interestfor)
      LanguageModel (Prompt API)
      LanguageDetector
      Translator
      Summarizer API
      Window.fetchLater()
      Speculation Rules API
      Long Animation Frames API
      VisibilityStateEntry
      PerformanceSoftNavigation
      InteractionContentfulPaint
      Connection-Allowlist
      CSS url() integrity() modifier
      HTML meta name="text-scale"
      HTML template for
      HTML processing instructions
      PasswordCredential
      Promise-returning scroll methods
      Web App Origin Migration
      Local Network Access permissions
      Request.targetAddressSpace
      beforeinstallprompt event
    
    To be fair, the skills also recommend ~11 features not supported by Chrome itself. And the project does seem concerned with compatibility: "Guiding models to use sensible, lightweight fallbacks."
    • hackingonempty 4 minutes ago
      How about details/summary?
    • philipwalton 51 minutes ago
      > Here's a list of browser features the skills will tell your agent to use that are stable in Chrome but not supported by both Firefox and Safari:

      To be clear, the skills document how to use these features to solve common use cases, and then they give your agent a full browser support table for any APIs mentioned that are not Baseline Widely available -- and then your agent can decide whether to use them or not, based on your site's browser support requirements.

      In most of these cases a cross-browser fallback is also documented.

      • surround 37 minutes ago
        The line between documenting and instructing is blurry in many cases. For example, these statements are meant to document best practices to the agent, but they sound like instructions:

        "DO use fetchLater()..."

        "Your own code MUST call fetchLater() directly..."

        https://github.com/GoogleChrome/modern-web-guidance/blob/mai...

        But yes, the skills do document compatibility and fallbacks well.

        • philipwalton 9 minutes ago
          Agreed the line can be blurry, but I want to stress that the goal of this project is NOT to push Chrome-only APIs on users.

          The mental model we've been using on the team is:

          If you hired an expert web development consultant to build X, what would they recommend as a best practice? When does it make sense to use the new API (because it provides real benefits) vs. when does it make sense to wait until it's available everywhere?

          To use your `fetchLater()` example, this is a case where the `fetchLater()` API legitimately solves a very real problem for people trying to build accurate analytics or telemetry features, see: https://nicj.net/beaconing-in-practice/

          And lots of companies actually are already using `fetchLater()` in production now because of its increased reliability.

  • simonw 2 hours ago
    Distribution suggestion: in addition to the npm packages you have right now, set up GitHub Pages to publish a markdown index document of the skills at https://googlechrome.github.io/modern-web-guidance-src/skill... (currently a 404)

    That index page should link to plain markdown versions of all of the documents, and should be designed for search with grep to find the right answers.

    That way I don't have to install anything at all - provided my agent has the ability to make HTTP requests I can tell it "Look for tips on https://googlechrome.github.io/modern-web-guidance-src/skill..." and it will fetch the index, then navigate to the most relevant documents - no MCP or npm or installation required at all.

    • kinlan 2 hours ago
      • paulirish 2 hours ago
        Aye. I like the idea, Simon. The token cost of the index is high enough I wouldn't suggest the technique for regular use but.. agree that for occasional users it should suffice.

        We'll make this happen. :)

      • kohukohunui 1 hour ago
        It looks like the markdown has cross references that assume that the cli approach is used, it would be nice to separate the content from the tooling to access.
      • jph00 2 hours ago
        If you rename that file to "llms.txt" it'll be a bit more discoverable.
        • kinlan 1 hour ago
          yeah that's fair. the infrastructure we are on isn't the most flexible (we will soon move to a newer more custom platform but that's a little way a way)
    • nico 2 hours ago
      > That way I don't have to install anything at all

      It feels that something like this would be the holy grail of agents. A small agent that has only the minimum necessary built in knowledge. The rest, it just retrieves on the fly when it needs (+ caching)

      It’s like storing pointers/links instead of the contents

      • paulirish 2 hours ago
        In reality that's pretty much what we got here. Very progressive disclosure centric. There's a 'install' command exists because the ecosystem doesn't have good cross-agent ergonomics for installing skills. (Which bums me out).

        But yeah.. big corpus of valuable context × minimal agent footprint = happy place.

      • mtrovo 1 hour ago
        If created properly, skills are already something like that. You have a front matter summary always available to the agent. The agent can request the full skill content on demand, which might contain additional linked documents with details about APIs and schemas being used, deeper documents about niche subtopics, scripts to help with subtasks, etc.
    • trvz 2 hours ago
      What’s the point of modern Javascript without over complicating things?
  • pyrolistical 2 minutes ago
    I asked my agent to look at that list and only apply things that work on chrome, Firefox, safari iOS and safari macos

    Came up with a good list for my project

  • advisedwang 2 hours ago
    Chrome already has too much power in the browser standards world. The last thing we need is everyone's LLMs to follow Chrome team's guidance on how to do web development. This road leads back to "To view this site, please view in [DOMINANT BROWSER]"
    • philipwalton 2 hours ago
      Mozilla Firefox and Microsoft Edge are also contributors to this project, so this is a cross-browser initiative to help improve how agents build for the web.
    • xnx 2 hours ago
      Not my opinion, but I do wonder if sharing from a different repo would feel more neutral.
    • 0o777 2 hours ago
      Both Mozilla and the Google Chrome team are part of the Web Baseline project and this project. They only recommend best practices supported by Chrome, Firefox, Edge, and Safari.

      https://web-platform-dx.github.io/baseline/

    • super256 2 hours ago
      Calm your pitchfork, Mozilla and Edge are both part of Modern Web Guidance.

      https://github.com/GoogleChrome/modern-web-guidance-src/blob...

  • chalmovsky 1 hour ago
    Amazing! I'm just writing an article about how Alex Russell's quote about 'React being a legacy technology' got, unfortunately, totally ignored.

    And now this just fell in my lap! Some of the arguments I wanted to make seem to be provide here. Didn't have a chance to take a proper look at it, but it looks very promising and nice!

    Thank you!

  • phyzix5761 3 hours ago
    "Best Practices" are pretty much dead in the AI era. Pretty soon no one is going to read any of the code AI produces and that's a scary thought.
    • paulirish 3 hours ago
      IMO maintainability is the next frontier. If we just allow coding agents to accrete 1k-LOC solutions to problems, the codebases run quick away from our ability to maintain _some_ level of understanding.

      So I'll take a 1-line CSS solution over 60 lines of ResizeObserver/setTimeout business. But.. best practices for frontend isn't just the code.. it's ensuring quality UX, that keyboard navigability works, that layout doesn't shift on users.

      • noosphr 24 minutes ago
        You just regenerate the code base, like how you do a recompile in C. Writing code is 2026 is worth as much as writing machine code was in 1996.
      • aidos 1 hour ago
        Once again, thank you for all the work you and the team have done to improve the web and the experience for developers working with it.
    • natorion 3 hours ago
      Best practices are not dead if they result in better user experience. The focus is less on developer ergonomics though - true that.
    • sublinear 2 hours ago
      The "modern web primitives" are also not even necessarily the "best practice".

      Browser-specific implementation gotchas tend to take about a decade to iron out for reasons that never have anything to do with code quality. Users are fickle and so are browser vendors, but that's a different topic.

      At the end of the day, there's just no escaping lots of manual testing across device and browser combinations if your goal is a polished result and not just something that "works".

      AI has done nothing to make this problem go away. If anything, it's made it worse because people don't even want to look at the code now!

      • zeroq 1 hour ago
        Exactly.

        I've recently finished a browser game specifically targeting an old iPad Air 1 we had lying around the house.

        I had a working version after a weekend, but it took me a month to make it run smoothly on an over 10 years old mobile device. And the most recent browser available is almost 10 years old.

        Surprisingly I didn't missed too many "modern" JS features, as these were mostly functional programming oriented which doesn't play well with optimization anyways, and the ES6 was more than enough as a programming platform.

        Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that "the best practice" should be making your apps fast and accessible - as much as you can without having to sacrifice something you value - instead of chasing the latest and shiniest.

        Don't be a fashion driven developer. :)

    • brlewis 2 hours ago
      >Pretty soon no one is going to read any of the code AI produces and that's a scary thought.

      This is a misconception. Have your favorite agent summarize this video for you: https://www.youtube.com/live/zcLPGC-tvgk?si=YR68aHlFESD053bh

      • ozim 2 hours ago
        Ugh it is Uncle Bob, not going to torture AI with this guy.

        But the fun part is that all of the proper software engineering practices are aimed at lowering amount of context a developer has to keep in his mind. So it directly applies to agent context. Less verbose code, less tokens to burn, separation of concerns, lower chance agent breaks something unrelated etc.

      • vik0 2 hours ago
        >>Pretty soon no one is going to read any of the code AI produces and that's a scary thought.

        >This is a misconception. Have your favorite agent *summarize this video for you*: https://www.youtube.com/live/zcLPGC-tvgk?si=YR68aHlFESD053bh

        I can't tell if you're joking here

        • brlewis 2 hours ago
          I am not generally against using AI to reduce the amount of information you need to pay attention to, and I was not joking. There are multiple places in that interview with good articulation of the reasons why software fundamentals still matter, and what happens when you don't look at at least some of the AI-generated code.
          • drawfloat 1 hour ago
            Why don't you just quote them then? Or quote whatever the LLM you used gave.
  • cadamsdotcom 2 hours ago
    Planning to give this one a wide berth.

    The more "legacy code" is getting written everyday the more the web will be forced to remain backwards compatible...

  • internet2000 52 minutes ago
    NO THANK YOU. Do not want my agents to contribute to the Chrome monoculture. Chrome is the new IE6.
  • halflife 3 hours ago
    Finally.

    This is exactly what I need when I need it. The amount of pull requests I reviewed with a mess of codes that can be switched to 2 lines of modern features made me write such tools myself, only half assed since I have other things to do.

  • fumar 2 hours ago
    I added this a few months ago and Claude Doctor has not removed it. It must be working and getting use.
  • dallen33 56 minutes ago
    Paul Irish?? There's a name I haven't though about in ages! I remember following you on Twitter and your website was full of amazing information. Hope you're doing well!
  • gabrieledarrigo 2 hours ago
    That's pretty cool!

    On the other hand, a bit sad: programming nowadays is just arranging a bunch of Markdown files, possibly generated by another bunch of models.

    Not so exciting, in the end.

  • mococa 17 minutes ago
    More Chromish on web? No thanks.
  • tonymet 13 minutes ago
    I recommend saying "contemporary" or "suggested" for transient proposals like this. Having modern change every few years is ambiguous and cliche .

    These concepts are new, so no one knows if they are any good. They're not modern -- who knows if they will even be put to use?

    "contemporary", "proposed", "suggested", "compatible" are better fit. I wouldn't dare use "advanced" because many APIs and proposals actually regress earlier behavior.

  • adzm 36 minutes ago
    I find this very useful as a human as well
  • reedlaw 2 hours ago
    These skills look better than most, but running my code through the legacy scan only found two issues. So while I still think training beats skills, I'm sure this has its place, especially with weaker models.
    • paulirish 2 hours ago
      Yeah. The legacy scan is tuned to 1) focus on cases where there's a clearly detectable legacy pattern and 2) avoid false-positives. This means it only overlaps with 20% of all the skill's docs. (We'll probably get it to ~50% in another month).

      In short: I 100% understand your disappointment. :) More coming soon like finding cases to update with Promise.withResolvers, the Array iterators, Object.groupBy, URLSearchParams, etc..

  • zeroq 2 hours ago
    What's the best way to introduce this to a Gemini chat?
    • paulirish 1 hour ago
      Gemini web? Probably simonw's strat from the top comment.

      There's a plugin for Antigravity that's listed on initial setup (yay bundleware! :) but... yeah if you're using consumer gemini, i'd switch to the Tasks mode because it's more agentic nature helps.

      In fact I just did this and it works. :p It regular Gemini, it said it did but kinda liked :) So there it'd be

      > Create a perfect HTML contact form with address fields. Check https://developer.chrome.com/docs/modern-web-guidance/guides... — read completely, don't stop at truncation.

    • yh11 48 minutes ago
      why would you ever use gemini for coding at all
      • zeroq 12 minutes ago
        Argon is not available in agy for Pro users.
  • j45 2 hours ago
    This is a great idea. I think while so much was being built out in the JavaScript ecosystem, awareness about the equivalent feature releases that were done to HTML, CSS, web components, and other technologies didn't keep pace.

    Of course, it's not perfectly implemented the same in every browser, but that's nothing new.

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  • PenguinRevolver 2 hours ago
    I use Firefox after Chrome decided to become a bit of a pain to use on my powerful computers. I was unsure how bias the skills were for Chrome exclusive features, so I decided to ask ChatGPT to analyse the repo. I liked the answer it gave, so here it is: https://chatgpt.com/share/6af3712a-03cc-83eb-ad1f-66dd11c886...
  • cyanydeez 2 hours ago
    I treat all my code as some kind of stochastic machinery. So atleast one stage, I'd just tell an agent to go through and follow the guide.

    But I'd not inject all this fluff into the wheels of the machine because it'd just take the "average" of these practices which would be just as useless.