11 comments

  • adzm 56 minutes ago
    Not a single photo of the palmfrets in the article, wow. Closest you get is a hand covering the entire device.

    https://palmfrets.com/

    I was much more interested once I saw the actual website.

    Long story short, it's basically a fret at the bridge end of the guitar, so using it will bring the 'root' note of the bass strings up a semitone or few.

    I can see this being pretty useful for drones when fingerpicking. Though combining this with normal frets on the top string will necessarily be inaccurate because it shortens the string length, so the normal frets will be slightly misplaced.

    • dofm 28 minutes ago
      Yeah — I don't really see how it can work except on the bass strings (played open).

      This is a novel but slightly peculiar take on this problem. But there are lots of other things, right?

      Listing for others since I suspect you know: all of this scheming about live-manipulating the basic tuning of an electric guitar dates back to the Parsons-White stringbender (and arguably further, since that was a way to get pedal steel sounds), which has led to stuff like the Duesenberg Multibender, the really extraordinary MayTrem (which keeps all strings in relative tune as the pitch is bent), the amazing Hipshot Doubleshot which lets you tune a guitar or dobro in two separate open tunings and switch between them instantaneously with a lever, etc.

      Ed Gerhard added single-string frets to the bass side of his weissenborn (acoustic lap steel) that he can play with the fingers behind his slide or (incredibly) with his thumb.

      All of these things are sort of fiddling at the edge of the question of a musical instrument, which is: should you confound their constraints or work within them? It's a bit like the thing about whether a dulcimer should be diatonic, whether you should add just the frets you need, whether it should be chromatic, whether it should have removable frets, etc. etc.

      As a sort of hobbyist lap steel player I find all these things fascinating, but I think the ultimate question is — where do you draw the line? There are lots of things I can't play on a six-string lap steel, but should I change the instrument so I can, or should I accept the role the instrument plays, and play the things I can?

      Another way to look at it is: why is the Harpejji niche? Why isn't everyone playing the Linnstrument? Why don't all pianists play the ROLI Seaboard?

      • ryukoposting 0 minutes ago
        > where do you draw the line?

        Isn't music better for the fact that every artist can draw their own line?

        > Why isn't everyone playing the Linnstrument?

        Counterargument: does someone play the Linnstrument? Do they make good music with it?

      • ksymph 15 minutes ago
        I don't see why you need to draw a line anywhere. Change your instruments however much or little as you want; do whatever gives you the greatest enjoyment / practicality / sound you're looking for, or whatever else your reasons for making music might be. Or skip the music making entirely and just play around with hardware if that's your thing.
      • ses1984 13 minutes ago
        Play what inspires you to play.

        Invent what you are inspired to invent.

        • dofm 7 minutes ago
          Right. It's kind of a deeply personal thing. But that is exactly why the commonplace media/marketing framing about the way these things "revolutionise the guitar" is so often misplaced.
  • afpx 14 minutes ago
    I’m just a beginner player, but what are the pros / cons of this vs those quick-change capo things?
    • marpstar 4 minutes ago
      this shortens the string from both sides and gives the player the ability to engage/disengage as part of their right-hand playing.

      Because of the way intonation works in string instruments (e.g. by fine-tuning the saddle of the bridge on electric guitars/basses), I think that you'd be able to have this set up to work well in a few playing positions, but just as the frets get smaller as you go higher up the neck (because of the way pitch works on a shortened string) I'd expect the intonation to get out of whack in other spots on the neck.

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  • xcf_seetan 42 minutes ago
    He had to remove the bridge pickup... no good for me.
    • bryanlarsen 33 minutes ago
      There is a less capable model (unifret) that doesn't require moving the pickups or adding much dampening to the soundboard.
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  • globular-toast 39 minutes ago
    Oooh. I play acoustic. Apparently it's not quite as good because you don't want to mess with the acoustics of the instrument, but being able to get just one more bass note on each string would open up a ton of new possibilities...
  • alexjplant 47 minutes ago
    The Steinberger TransTrem [1] similarly allows changing pitch at the bridge. Buck Dharma and EVH used it to great effect. It's about as simple as a design as it can be but calibrating it is a process and guitarists aren't exactly a group known for their engineering prowess or progressive thinking (compared to bassists or keys players, for instance) so it never achieved critical mass. This seems like an even simpler system so perhaps it'll gain greater traction.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransTrem

  • sollewitt 39 minutes ago
    Undjentlemanly
  • rc5150 36 minutes ago
    Yeah this isn't the game changer he thinks its going to be. Real e-bow energy here.

    Really having a hard time seeing any major manufacturer licensing the design and using it on any of their instruments.

  • bena 45 minutes ago
    Like, neat, but I wonder what it really gets you.

    A guitar has a lot of duplicated notes. The lowest 5 notes of the low E string are unique and the highest 5 of the high E for a guitar in standard tuning.

    Standard tuning is EADGBe. Every fret is a half tone. So on the low E string it goes, from open E->F->F#/Gb->G->G#/Ab->A. That A is the same A as the second open string. This is how guitars are tuned to themselves, you can play the fifth fret on most strings to find out what the next string should sound like. The exception is the B which is tuned to the fourth.

    It's a bit by design, you have access to a full scale within reach of your hand, no matter where your hand is.

    And this really only extends the higher range. So on the high e, instead of 5 unique notes, you'll have 5 + whatever the palmfrets give you.

    Now. If it jumped you an entire octave, that could possibly be cool. Basically replace an entire pedal with a bit of hardware on your bridge.

  • luckydata 32 minutes ago
    as a long time guitar player, this thing has no future whatsoever, too many compromises that buy you very little musically